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  Do we have the right to judge god?

  by mankkeli in

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  do we have the right to judge god?.

  this is an important question.

  non-believers often become and remain non-believers because they judge that god is incomprehensible or malevolent, and therefore of dubious existence in the form believers claim.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Re: Do we have the right to judge god?

  No! God should be allowed to continue enjoying his retirement in peace and let the Devil continue to run the world.

  He always tells the truth and knows how to party.
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  There is No Morality Without God

  by whereami in

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  addressing the argument, made by many christians, that with no god there can be no morality.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnu-qbgxmn0.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  JonathanH " The world was only a better place for straight white men. Everyone else I'm pretty sure would rather live today than a hundred years ago."

  Far more straight white men have been oppressed than have been oppressors. They have suffered terrible injuries and deaths in war for the entire existence of the human race. At one time the average age expectancy for a working man was 40 years. They were worked to death in ship yards, mines and factories. Perhaps reading up on the suffering endured by white men and women during the Spanish inquisition would be educational.

  By the way, white men were used as slaves long before black men. Homosexuality was embraced and encourage in both, Greece , Rome and many other cultures, thousands of years ago. Christianity was largely responsible for prejudice developing.

  The history of the human race has been one of suffering and exploitation. Just as many white men have been victims of others greed and lust for power as any other human.

  Why do I bother to point this out? Because long as people try to claim victim status by blaming the white bogey man, progress will be hampered. How about a little praise for the huge improvement in longevity and quality of life as a direct result of white men’s inventions and their service to humanity. Let’s have a little balance here.

  Morality is often a cultural thing and collectively decided by society according to its needs and aims.
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  A Woman, A Woman - Oh What Can She Be?

  by LoneWolf in

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  hi, peeplezs,.

  down over the years i have experienced plenty of discouragement and cynicism about faith and the existence of a god who cares for us.

  if i allowed myself to dwell on those things alone, i suppose that i too would be feeling hopeless and cynical and would be just waiting until my time is up.. however, i don't feel that way at all.

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  Thanks for sharing your feelings and so much of your life LoneWolf.

  You come accross as a caring and sensitive man who has lived a full and rewarding life filled with love.
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  Does the Issue of Universal Sovereignty make sense to you as an explanation for evil?

  by gubberningbody in

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  it used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.

  more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?

  who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  ...MANY mentally disadvantaged individuals have made the choice to believe that Jesus Christ is their Saviour.

  myelaine Are you speaking from experience?
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  My career as a budding alcoholic is over

  by Qcmbr in

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  i've had a goal to drink my first alcohol this year and i decided that i would take the plunge while in my hotel.

  i chose a tiny bottle of jacob's creek and retired to my room.. i had two sips and had to stop.

  seriously vile.

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  Qcmbr If you can live comfortably without alcohol why bother taking the risk of becoming used to something that can lead to dependency? There are great advantages to a life without alcohol but very few benefits come from drinking.

  If I were you I would enjoy the freedom you have and set myself a more worthy goal.
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  Proof of God or Christ without a holy book

  by Awen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in some previous posts i have asked certain questions that still haven't been answered.

  so without going back to those threads and possibly de-railing them i thought it best to make a new topic.

  please bear with me.. i have asked certain ones to prove the existence of god or christ without referencing any biblical writings or characters.

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  Go onThen!
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  Proof of God or Christ without a holy book

  by Awen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in some previous posts i have asked certain questions that still haven't been answered.

  so without going back to those threads and possibly de-railing them i thought it best to make a new topic.

  please bear with me.. i have asked certain ones to prove the existence of god or christ without referencing any biblical writings or characters.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  JW's do not have good people skills. We have to relearn them or learn for the first time when we come out, how to interact without that fear and the superiority we had as JW's.

  This is very true FlyingHighNow

  When I left the Jehovah's Witnesses, c oming to terms with the reality of so many wasted years and learning to live outside the organization and accept as worthwhile, people who I had previously condemned, was a long hard climb. Even so, I will never forget the friends and relatives whose affection I lost, along with the feeling of safety that belonging to the Watchtower Society's world brought me.

  All my life I had been promised that I would never grow old and die but would live forever on earth, when it was turned into a paradise. Then I realized that I was going to grow old and die like every other human.
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  Proof of God or Christ without a holy book

  by Awen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in some previous posts i have asked certain questions that still haven't been answered.

  so without going back to those threads and possibly de-railing them i thought it best to make a new topic.

  please bear with me.. i have asked certain ones to prove the existence of god or christ without referencing any biblical writings or characters.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  FlyingHighNow That’s an interesting viewpoint based on your life’s experience. For most of my life I did believe in God. Bring raised by strict parents as a Jehovah's Witness, God to me was Jehovah. I believed in him, talked to him, worshiped him and became a Pioneer.

  As I grew into an adult I began to examine the evidence. It was found wanting. I left the Watchtower Society and searched for a more loving God. I found much of what I sought in eastern religion. Alas still no proof. I lacked the one thing that was required – total faith.

  There are many like me who did once believe but no longer do. We had something up there but no longer do. We are prepared to believe again but live by that telling adage. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"
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  Proof of God or Christ without a holy book

  by Awen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in some previous posts i have asked certain questions that still haven't been answered.

  so without going back to those threads and possibly de-railing them i thought it best to make a new topic.

  please bear with me.. i have asked certain ones to prove the existence of god or christ without referencing any biblical writings or characters.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Discussions like this often come down to our own idea of what god is. Like many others I don’t have faith in Jehovah, Christ, Jaheshua, Allah, Zeus, Odin or any of the named gods. No one can offer objective proof that these gods exist or that they don’t exist. It comes down to whether we want to believe in the existence of one of them and consider our choice to be ‘almighty God.’ Such a conclusion can only be based on our interpretation of our own subjective internal experiences. Acceptance of experiences that others share is also a factor. The result is faith in God.

  Those that choose not to believe in any of the gods on offer are not automatically staunch atheists. Nor does it mean they have concluded that humans are the only intelligent life in the universe.

  On a probability basis it is likely that there are other forms of life on other planets which those creatures are suited to. Maybe there are beings that are invisible to the human eye that do not need the surface of a planet to dwell on. Perhaps other dimensions of consciousness do exist beyond our present knowledge and an ultimate source.

  If we are to be objective, until these things and the existence of a god can be proved beyond doubt, the concept of an all powerful invisible being must remain a theory or a possibility. As a mere mortal, air breathing, earth dwelling, carbon unit , I am content to accept my limitations and continue on my spiritual journey with an open mind, knowing that my time on earth will run out without ever knowing the secrets of the universe.
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  Which arguments for or against God are convincing to you?

  by mankkeli in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1) kalam argument -- what begins to exist has a cause, the universe began to exist, therefore the universe has a cause2) the design or fine tuning argument -- the regularity of the universe suggests the existence of an intelligent creator3) the ontological argument 4) its impossible for "something" to come from "nothing"5) the argument from morality.

  a moral law giver must exist6) the argument from experience.

  the proof is in the pudding.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  N.drew I've just run out of wine.

  Can I pop round?